Get To Know The Christian Secularists

by

Neal Horsley

(1/31/2011) This message tells you what I mean by Christian Secularists.  Rather than rely on a definition that relies on a cold string of syllables, I'll try to define Christian Secularist by telling you about a battle I'm in with people who call themselves Christians.
 
You can see the latest iteration of this battle because below my message is a string of messages I received from a group of Christian street preachers who have periodically been attacking me for years.  (You can see their email addresses.)  I believe such men are examples of the dominant Christian orthodoxy in this generation.  So by exposing them, I am exposing the mindset of the vast majority of Christians in the USA today.  I call that vast majority Christian Secularists.  And I'll tell you a story that explains why this group of people considers me to be even a worse enemy than the bold and prancing pagans who surround them on the street when they go to preach.
 
I'll warn you that the email string below will probably be literally incomprehensible to you.  I include it though because I want you to see the level of vehemence I receive from Christian Secularists, especially Christian Secularist street preachers.   They loathe me with a hatred as strong as any I ever encounter from the Planned Parenthood pagan young people who consider me to be the devil insofar as they can find any real referent for the word.
 
For Christians to attack me with such vehemence requires some explanation, so I'll begin the explanation on the day Paul Hill was executed in 2003 in the flat, piney woods of inland north Florida.
 
There was a knot of Christian street preachers there, at his execution, in a roped off area contiguous to, but separate from, the roped off area containing fifty or more supporters of Paul Hill who had come to protest his execution.  The street preachers were roped off and separated from us because the people in their area were not there to protest but to applaud Paul Hill's execution.  Many different types of people were there to applaud Paul Hill's execution: all the pagan types; colored hair, and multiple piercings ,and colorful tattoos.  But within that group applauding Paul Hill's execution was the loudest people of all: Christian street preachers who were led by a man named Ruben Israel: for a long time before the execution,  he screamed the most jarring words of condemnation that could be imagined against Paul Hill.
 
Ruben Israel, who has the gift most valuable to a street preacher, a loud voice, screamed  at the top of his lungs over and over again the sounds he imagined demons would make in hell.  Then Ruben Israel would explain to the vast group of reporters who covered Paul's execution that that was what Paul Hill was going to be hearing as soon as they executed him and sent him to hell.  Ruben Israel kept doing that over and over again.  At the top of his voice.   Ruben Israel would scream, "Can you hear it Paul Hill?!  SCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!  SCREEEEEEEEE!  SCREEEEEEEEEEEE!.  THEY'RE COMING TO GET YOU!!!!!!!!!!!" the demon sounds of pigs being slaughtered would split the air over and over again. 
 
As you can see, the over and over again part really got to me and the people on my side of the ropes.  Because on our side of the ropes were people who were weeping their eyes out that Paul Hill was within minutes of being put down like the most unwanted mangy cur in America is put down.  Murdered exactly like that.  And some of those people were not weak women, but strong men, dangerous men.  And those men were beginning to look with very hard eyes at Ruben Israel's contorted face as he screamed his mocking demon sermon about Paul Hill being consigned to hell because he was a murderer who deserved to burn for eternity in the pits of hell.
 
I think it was after Paul Hill was executed, but I'm not sure; the time sequence is vague in my memory.  But at some point I moved to the side of the crowd and said to the group of armed guards closest to us, "Look, you either get those sonsabitches out of here or I guarantee you there's going to be trouble, serious trouble."
 
The guards looked at Ruben Israel screaming where I was pointing, and ignoring me began to talk among themselves.  Within a few minutes, the guards moved to Ruben Israel and his companions and proceeded to move them to the back of the roped off areas and escort them from the scene of the execution.   
 
As the small group around Ruben Israel was approaching the exit from the roped off areas, they stopped walking and looked back at all of us standing there looking at them.  They acted like they were balking and possibly refusing to go with the armed men escorting them from the scene.  I moved in close enough for the officers escorting them to hear me and said, "Either get them out of here or I guarantee you there's going to be at least a large fist fight.  Is that what y'all want to happen here?  Is that what y'all want?"
 
The officers realized they could not stand the nation's news media--after all there were acres of satellite-antennaed trucks spread across the grounds--recording the Florida law enforcement authorities' inability to keep Paul Hill's execution from turning into a nationally televised knock-down, drag-out fist fight.  So they forcefully laid hands on Ruben Israel and his three or four accompanying street preachers and marched them quickly out of the area.
 
It was not over though--Ruben Israel's interaction with those of us who saw Paul Hill, not as a murderer, but as a man of God carrying out a Phineus Priesthood assignment.  Within a few days and in another location, I am told Ruben Israel found himself beat to his knees as the trained blows of a boxer collided with his loud-mouthed face in a confrontation created in response to his disrespect of Paul Hill. 
 
So that's the story of the street preachers and, let's call them, the friends of Neal.
 
I'm sure you can imagine how this is a perfect example of an either/or argument.  Either Ruben Israel is correct and Paul Hill was righteously executed by the government of the USA and sent to spend eternity in hell, or not.
 
I say not.  To me, Paul Hill is an example of a Christian man who attempted to establish God's Law in the USA at a time when the government of the USA has chosen to replace God's Law with statutes and Judicial ORDERS that are the direct opposite of God's Law as defined in 1 Timothy 1: 8-11.  That's what I believe and I suspect I will until the day I die. 
 
Ruben Israel and people like him think Paul Hill, instead of being a law enforcement officer in the Kingdom of Christ, was a murderous outlaw against God's ordained government here in the USA.
 
That's why I call such people Christian Secularists.  When the government of the USA defined itself as a secular nation and Christians began to teach that Christians had a duty under God to obey such a secular nation, the logic of word alliance requires those people to be called Christian Secularists.
 
From where I stand Christian Secularist is the best example of an oxymoron that will ever be found in the English language.  For a Christian to support a government that defines itself as committed to rule without regard to such questions as the will of God, the law of God, or the plan of God--as secular governments by definition do--is the clearest contradiction of what it means to be a follower of  the Lord Jesus Christ that I believe will ever be found.
 
But from the beginning of the church, vast numbers of people who called themselves Christians have found ways to convince themselves that the Lord Jesus Christ would understand why they chose to support a secular government rather than have to go through the terrible trials men like Paul Hill have to go through.
 
In the history of the ancient Church, such Christians were called Lapsi.  Learn about the Lapsi at http://www.newlapsi.com and you will see why men like Ruben Israel, men who call themselves Christians, spew insanity like that which follows, and are as likely to kill me as any of the most virulent pagan followers of Sir Sodomite, Elton John, on earth.  Because, truth be told, there is no insult more odious on earth than to be called a Christian Secularist since even a moron--oxy or not--can see that the logic of history proves conclusively that Christian Secularist is in fact just another name for Christian Lapsi.
 
Neal
 
 

Bobby. Thanks for your wisdom and help. D

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 30, 2011, at 8:24 AM, "bobbyBIBLE" <bobbyBIBLESTEIN@adelphia.net> wrote:

    neal i noticed one more from dennis agajanian = flatpick = ELISHA!!!!!! THE GREATaka mr. REVELATION SOON TO UNFOLD!!!!!!!!!!!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: The Good News and the Bad News

Neal. I have sent your letters to Bobby. For Him to respond to you.
***i just did BROTHERS PRIOR TO THIS TODAY SUNDAY .....THE OCTAGON OF LOVE EMAIL DOORS ARE WIDE OPEN ..............ALTHOUGH EGYPT ....REVOLT BY .....MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD LOOMS TO GROW LIKE ............OUR PUT DOWN OF SHAH A FRIEND IN IRAN .......MUSLIMS WANT A IRAN IN EGYPT ......NOT A USA BACK MUBARAK THAT ........EXTENDS PEACE BRANCH TO ISRAEL........
THE MUSLIMS ARE NOW USING OUR naive pres obamma and flat dumb butt media to pull off a VIOLENT REVOLUTION IN EGYPT RIGHT NOW GOD'S PROPHETS SHOULD ......SHINE LIGHT ON THAT THE MASSES MIGHT KNOW ..............satan has virused my computer since last fall so SHARPLY IT IS USEFUL ONLY FOR .............EMAILS...........am not into face book tweet internet etc....and my software now will not allow it ........after next job this spring will ........UPDATE IT ALL ..........so by summer should be back into battles.................royal...........bob *****
 
I have not a clue what your talking about.
***YES neal make yourself clear get to the point.......but your points are ..............blunted *****
 
Ya just don't make sense.
*******he and chuck baldwin etc........i have ministered to both over time they come and go ****
 
 
It may be me.
****they are afraid to SHOW YOU ALL THE CARDS IN THEIR HANDS.....LIKE MOST ALL i deal with here ...........i expose everybody i know to this dialogue even my family .......BUT THE REST HERE DO NOT INCLUDE ANYBODY EXCEPT PEOPLE I KNOW .........THEY HAVE SECRET LIVES FRIENDS ANOTHER LIFE NOT OPEN TO ....................DIALOGUE DEBATE TRUTH ........WHY GOD CALLED ME TO OPEN THIS OCTAGON OF EMAIL LOVE TO RESOLVE ISSUES ON THE CHEAP AT OUR OWN SPEED AND CONVENIENCE........******
 
 So really Bobby is greater than I at answering your sayings?
*****WELL bobby is GREATER THAN ALL AMONG US OR ALL WHO HAVE BEEN AMONG US IN RESPONDING TO ............ANY DEBATE ON ANY SUBJECT BIBLE POLITICS SEX YOU NAME IT ONLY BOB HAS SORTED IT ALL IN ............WITHIN THE WORD AND WILL OF GOD OVER TIME WHILE YOU ALL ...........TALKED ENDLESSLY TO WOMEN ................ON SUBJECTS BOB HAS NO INTEREST IN TALKING TO WOMEN ABOUT THEIR WORLD ............AND WOMEN HAVE NO INTEREST IN TALKING WITH BOB ABOUT HIS WORLD ................SO BOB AND WOMEN ONLY HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON TO TALK ABOUT...........AND GOD AND JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT HAVE DECIDED bob does not get is not allowed to talk to women about that!!!!!!!!!............women & sex is what makes this world go around ........add money to the mix and IT IS EXPOSIVE COMBO..........YOU ALL JUMPED IN WITH JOY..........I UNDERSTAND ..........BUT TO DO MY JOB ......I MUST BE AND STAY REMOVED AS IT TAKES ALOT OF ......MEDITATION SOLEMN THOUGHT ........SELAH STYLE OF PSALMS ....PSALM 1 ETC TO SORT ALL THIS OUT TO MAKE SENSE FROM GEN AND REV. ONLY BOB HAS DONE SO ..............ON ALL SUBJECTS ....!
SO ..............ELISHA i bob say i am the BEST i have observed in all SUBJECTS ............. WIVES WILL NOT PERMIT HUSBANDS TO EVEN DISCUSS ALL SUBJECTS .......OPENLY..........BOB HAS NO SUCH SHACKLE OR WEIGHT OR WORRY ........JOHN 8:32 JOHN 16:7-16............so forget egypt today a.m. ....WOW THERE IS ALOT TO SAY ABOUT EGYPT RIGHT NOW .........but it is sunday and time to go to several churches on sundays..............bob
Bobby is a Scholar in the Word.  dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Neal Horsley <nhorsley@wechooselife.net>
To: flatpick1@aol.com
Cc: bobbyBIBLESTEIN@adelphia.net
Sent: Sat, Jan 29, 2011 3:52 pm
Subject: Re: The Good News and the Bad News

Sometimes you can tell much more about a man from his enemies than you can from his friends.
 
I truly thrive on unrepentant murderers being my enemies.  http://www.christiangallery.com/murder.html  Not that I expect a rebuttal.  If you people had sense enough to mount a rebuttal to a direct attack on your life style, you'd all be dangerous.
 
Neal

Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: The Good News and the Bad News

Thank you for your true words Bobby.
You are a great man of God's True Word.
Love you. dennis and Victoria



-----Original Message-----
From: bobbyBIBLE <bobbyBIBLESTEIN@adelphia.net>
To: Dennis Agajanian <Flatpick1@aol.com>
Cc: Neal Horsley <nhorsley@wechooselife.net>
Sent: Sat, Jan 29, 2011 1:11 pm
Subject: Re: The Good News and the Bad News

    yes i know neal horsely and he and is doctrine is shaky i believe he is calvinist and babydolator also bad combo
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 9:04 PM
Subject: Fwd: The Good News and the Bad News

Please answer

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Neal Horsley" <nhorsley@wechooselife.net>
Date: January 28, 2011 5:41:26 PM PST
To: "Dennis Agajanian" <Flatpick1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: The Good News and the Bad News

Is that a rebuttal?  What do you think is false: God has got every where He wants us,
**wrong neal is calvinist thinking GOD FROM EPH. 1 HAS PLANNED ALL BEFORE BEGINNING OF EARTH SO ......NOTHING MUCH WE CAN DO ABOUT IT ....EVEN YOUR LIFE IS PLANNED OUT BY GOD AND WHO GOES TO HEAVEN OR HELL ALREADY DONE DEAL...
   neal is foolish and he and is kind .....satan uses to TURN MAN OFF OF GOD THE BIBLE SAYING THE WHOLE THING IS RIGGED AND IT IS NOT FAIR TO JUST DETERMINE A MAN TO HELL YOU CANNOT BE FAIR AND SEND HIM TO HELL WHEN YOU DECIDED BEFORE HAND THAT IS WHERE HE SHOULD GO........PEOPLE WHO LISTEN TO NEAL .....SATAN TAKES AWAY TO OTHER NONSENSE ....
   ALSO ELISHA OUR LIVES ARE NOT PLANNED EITHER .....
   NOW CERTAIN ANGELS SATAN THOSE WHO RECEIVE MARK OF BEAST ....CERTAIN PEOPLE HAVE THEIR LIVES PLANNED ALREADY BY GOD MAINLY THOSE WE SEE IN THE BIBLE DAVID ETC.....BUT THE REST OF US HAVE FREE WILL AND IF WE MESS UP THINK WRONG DO NOT REPENT GET SAVED WE JUST GO TO HELL ......OUR FAULT NOT GOD'S PLAN AS ........GOD IS NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH.........11 PETER 3:9   JOHN 3:16-21.....
 
 or some of us have to go to hell?
**ELISHA IS CORRECT neal is wrong .....nobody needs to go to hell except those few ....GOD HAS PREDESTINED TO DO SO FOR HIS PLAN BUT THAT IS LESS THAN 1% THE REST OF US ARE IN A REAL WORLD REAL LIFE MAKE OWN DECISIONS AND GO TO HEAVEN OR HELL AS A RESULT .....YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW GAL. 6:7 ETC....DO NOT WORRY ABOUT NEAL ......PRESS ON EXACTLY LIKE YOU ARE GOD BLESS ......bob **
 
  I went to Sunday School.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
good what did you learn neal?
**ELISHA HAD GODLY PARENTS A GOOD BIBLE SUNDAY SCHOOL EDUCATION MOST MEN MISS AND WHY ELISHA IS ELISHA AND REST OF US .........neal doing otherwise  b***
 
Neal

Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: The Good News and the Bad News

False. didn't you go to Sunday School?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 28, 2011, at 5:03 AM, "Neal Horsley" <nhorsley@wechooselife.net> wrote:

The good news is God has got everybody just where He wants us. 
***no neal man has rebelled against GOD AGAINST THE WILL OF GOD LIKE kids conceived in incest rape you accept and birth but can be taken recycled away perhaps but can be taken as they were not conceived in THE WILL OF GOD ...WE DO NOT WORSHIP BABIES BUT GOD ROM 1:25
 
 The bad news is some of us have to go to hell.
***SOME OF US ARE SO DUMB FOOLISH LACK FAITH DO NOT READ BIBLE TO INCREASE FAITH AND OVER TIME NEGLECT OUR SOULS IN ARROGANCE AND DESERVE HELL FOR SLOTH LACK OF FAITH MATT. 25 PARABLES.....NOT READY ETC....AMOS 4:12 PREPARE TO MEET THY GOD ........perhaps you neal deserve hell for making GOD LOOK LIKE A JERK A PHONEY ....UNWISE UNFAIR TO MASSES WITH YOUR HE PLANNED SOME TO HEAVEN SOME TO HELL AND THAT IS IT .........FOOLISH MAKING GOD LOOK BAD AND HE WILL PERHAPS TOSS YOU INTO HELL FOR CAUSING HIM TROUBLE...
risky business neal repent ELISHA AND BOB ARE ONE IN THIS ................
 
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